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Content and website quality

Postby niche » 16 Oct 2016, 03:27

Is the number of pages in a website an indication of the quality of the website, the resale value? If yes, how many pages should the website have at the minimum if you wish to resell the website.
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby walash » 16 Oct 2016, 08:30

niche wrote:Is the number of pages in a website an indication of the quality of the website, the resale value? If yes, how many pages should the website have at the minimum if you wish to resell the website.


Hey niche,

I've been flipping sites for some time now and I guess I can answer some of your questions.

No, page number is not an indication of the website's quality. Content, in the other hand, is! You'd rather have 1 page with a unique, high quality pillar article (those with 1500+ words) then 100 thin, cheap content pages. They most likely will use copyscape to see if your content is unique and if it reads well.

There's no required page number for selling a website. I've seen one page blogs sold for 50 times its monthly revenue, it's all about traffic and earnings.

Let me just ask you something: are you trying to sell or to buy a website? If you intend to buy one, avoid flippa and other huge flipping marketplaces. Nowadays 99% of Flippa's sellers are scammers with fake data and inflated earning screenshots. Buy it on forums from reputable members or find a website broker, you won't regret it.
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby Angie10 » 16 Oct 2016, 11:11

Thanks for the information, walash :) This is the sort of information that will come in handy for me as I try to line up my ducks ready for setting up my own blog. I see so many shoddily set up blog, I'm scared of adding to the list! At this rate, mine's probably never going to go live because I'll be too busy trying to perfect it and just never being satisfied with it LOL
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby IcyFirefly » 16 Oct 2016, 11:25

@walash that is a good bit to know about flipping site to sell or purchase! I haven't done any or interested in doing since my blogs are personal blogs with my own photos for the most part; so selling them would mean selling my rights to my photos.

I am glad to know not to use flippa!
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby walash » 16 Oct 2016, 14:42

Angie10 wrote:Thanks for the information, walash :) This is the sort of information that will come in handy for me as I try to line up my ducks ready for setting up my own blog. I see so many shoddily set up blog, I'm scared of adding to the list! At this rate, mine's probably never going to go live because I'll be too busy trying to perfect it and just never being satisfied with it LOL


I'm happy to help. Hit me a PM If it's a commercial rather than a personal blog. I can help you with keyword research, on-page and off-page SEO and ad placement if you need. Of course I'll do it for free for a fellow FCer.
Let me know when you start it.

IcyFirefly wrote:@walash that is a good bit to know about flipping site to sell or purchase! I haven't done any or interested in doing since my blogs are personal blogs with my own photos for the most part; so selling them would mean selling my rights to my photos.

I am glad to know not to use flippa!


Yeah, Flippa was a pretty decent marketplace a few years ago. As the website got bigger, quality decreased a lot... It seems to be a pretty general rule for everything online and offline. Maybe the mods don't have the time to dig deep to see if the websites being sold are legit anymore.
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby jonjenkins » 16 Oct 2016, 15:05

I agree - the number of pages does not have any correlation with the quality of a site. If there's quality content which gets people to stay on the site, that will help with SEO and sales.
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby skysnap » 16 Oct 2016, 15:39

I think walash made an excellent point on quality content. Like article with 1500 words. Such content can increase the value of website. And It'll surely fetch a lot of traffic too.
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby DreekLass » 16 Oct 2016, 22:29

I definitely think that the amount of pages should be in direct correlation to how much the site should be sold for. But only if the pages contain information that is valuable and is needed.
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby niche » 17 Oct 2016, 01:28

Mainly interested in selling the websites
How many websites have you sold till date.
Can you share best forums and website brokers for selling the websites?
How are these websites being monetized, what are the options if a person does not have a google adsense account. Other than google analytics which other website statistics programs are acceptable to buyers
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby walash » 17 Oct 2016, 02:45

niche wrote:Mainly interested in selling the websites
How many websites have you sold till date.
Can you share best forums and website brokers for selling the websites?
How are these websites being monetized, what are the options if a person does not have a google adsense account. Other than google analytics which other website statistics programs are acceptable to buyers


Sold around 20 websites till date. I always use Analytics to verify traffic, so I can't tell if they use any other methods.

If the websites are small to medium, try blackhatworld.com or digitalpoint.com. BHW is a lot more strict so you will need to prove you own the website and the process would take maybe a week or so. DigitalPoint is faster, but the best buyers are at BHW.

If the website is big (generating high income), you can use a broker from https://feinternational.com/
I know a broker there and I can hook you up with him, just let me know if you are interested. He is really helpful and will answer all your quetions. Good thing about them is that they have a huge buyer base made from people who actually have the money to buy your websites.

About monetization, people buy websites from other CPC networks aside from adsense like BuySellAds and PropellerAds. Other pretty decent forms of monetisation that sell a lot are:

- CPA;
- PPI;
- Dropshipping;
- E-commerce;
- Amazon Affiliates;
- Clickbank;
- Monthly Subscription Websites.

Hope it helps.
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby niche » 17 Oct 2016, 04:01

@walash , thank you for your reply
Can you clarify how you define small , medium and large websites for sale, in terms of number of visitors, revenues, pages of the website
Do you make websites for selling or monetizing?
Were the 20 websites which you sold wordpress blogs or static websites? How many visitors did these websites have monthly and how were the websites monetized?
What is the minimum amount of visitors a website should have to consider selling the website?
Getting approval for buysellads remains difficult.
Do website buyers consider purchasing websites with no visitor statistics (other than awstats) and almost no revenues
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby walash » 18 Oct 2016, 03:20

niche wrote:@walash , thank you for your reply
Can you clarify how you define small , medium and large websites for sale, in terms of number of visitors, revenues, pages of the website
Do you make websites for selling or monetizing?
Were the 20 websites which you sold wordpress blogs or static websites? How many visitors did these websites have monthly and how were the websites monetized?
What is the minimum amount of visitors a website should have to consider selling the website?
Getting approval for buysellads remains difficult.
Do website buyers consider purchasing websites with no visitor statistics (other than awstats) and almost no revenues


Brokers usually categorize a website by its monthly revenue.

Small: $0 to $1000/month
Medium: $1000 to $3000/month
Large: Anything from $5000/month

Also, keep in mind those numbers should only be considered in case of established recurring earnings. Don't expect brokers to consider your website a large earner if you earn $100/month and had a huge spike of $4000 a month or two, usually they need six months of current earnings.

It depends how much I like the subject of the website. I do have websites earning pretty well from AdSense on subjects I really like and enjoy writing about. I won't disclose the niches for obvious reasons, since those are micro niche websites.
I make a lot of keyword research. Once I find a good profitable keyword (be it for AdSense, Amazon or Clickbank), I just start a website, usually buy high quality content, use premium themes and do SEO. Those keywords almost high cpc for adsense or high item price for amazon and low to very low competition. I can usually rank the website first page on a couple of months and then I decide if I like it and should keep it, or don't like it and should sell it. Depending on the website's potential I flip it for 10x to 35x the monthly revenue.

People do purchase websites with little or no revenue whatsoever as long as the design and/or domain show some potential profit, even easier if it's passive profit from affiliate sales or CPC.

Okay, I would really have to dig to answer the specifics about every website I sold, instead I will just estimate. Overall it shouldn't be too far from this:

Two large websites on health niche, one monetized through adsense and the other with CPA offers. One had around 500k page views monthly and the other one around 90k.

Four medium websites:
- Website 1: A travel blog with articles monetized through booking companies affiliate links - around 30k page views/month.
- Website 2: A micro niche site on finance niche monetized through adsense, very high cpc keyword - around 15k page views per month.
- Website 3: An adult tube site with around 500k unique videos, monetized through adult affiliate offers (mostly cam sites and banners) - around 100k page views/month
- Website 4: A local news website monetized from local businesses banners - around 50k page views per month (I could have made a lot more money on this one, but dealing with business owners was just too much of nuisance for me).

Around 12 or so small websites monetized by a large variety of ways. Some earning as little as $30/month.

Someone is probably going to ask anyway so I will answer this in advance. Why would I sell a website generating passive income? Why not to scale it and make more money?

It's pretty simple:

1) Time: It takes a lot of time to manage several sites as I used to do. See, between content writing (rewriting, reading and correcting), SEO, Keyword Research and Optimization, Social Media, Ad Placement, Data Analysis and Website Updates I was spending about 17 hours a day - in front of a computer. I had no time to live and to enjoy the money I was making. I got sick and that's when I decided to only keep the websites I really cared about.
Also, people thinking that passive income from AdSense is something easy shouldn't even start. Micro Niche Websites are hard, competition is cruel and once the big players find out about your little nice profitable keyword, forget it! You are out! Niche websites require a lot of keyword research and constant optimization for long tail keywords.

2) Real Life Needs: I flipped those two large websites on two critical moments in my life. One when my brother got sick and needed a highly expensive surgery and the other one when my wife and I decided to buy an apartment. I don't regret any of those decisions, even though today I'm making half of the money I made when I was managing the large sites, I still live really well with my monthly income.

3) Unstable Niches: If the niche is too unstable or you just don't see a future for the website, flip it. Don't overthink it, just do it. I had a few dead sites that I regret I didn't sell before the niche died completely, thought I could've squeezed some extra bucks from it and lost it because of that.

4) Investments: Sometimes I just needed money to invest in something more interesting or with better potential. What can I say, that's my thing.

Wheew! That was a freaking wall of text. Hope it helps!

K. Regards,
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Re: Content and website quality

Postby remnant » 04 Nov 2016, 14:35

Actually, the number of pages does matter because the more pages a website has, the greater the content and thought put into it. There is an exception though. Google Sniper enables one to have a website of only a few pages in a highly concentrated niche and results in high traffic and attendant monetization capabilities.
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