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Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby Rick Ace » 14 Oct 2017, 02:26

If you've been following the news on the Trump Administration, net neutrality might be at risk. Trump's pick for FCC Chair, Ajit V. Pai, has openly suggested net neutrality laws are too restrictive. They have tried to pass their ideas of less net neutrality policies as "deregulating," a catchphrase for many conservative Americans.

However, I don't see many conservatives being over-enthusiastic about less net-neutrality. What could less net neutrality mean? It means ISPs can get paid for supplying faster routes and connections for preferred companies. For example, Rockstar could pay ISPs to get a faster connection to their game servers. And you'd wonder why Call Of Duty games run slower on your internet. It's a massive attack on freedom in my opinion.

Most political discussions get volatile, so I want to add that this isn't meant to be political. As far as I'm concerned, the internet and policy-making related to it falls under a separate category. :)

How do you guys feel about net neutrality? And how is it treated where you live?
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 28 Nov 2017, 04:29

I can only say that when the television was invented, I was in that generation and grew up with this wonderful communication tool. I honestly don't know what my childhood would have been like without it.

When I became an adult, I remember thinking what a great tool the Internet would be in helping me do my job better. At the time I worked for the federal government.

Now I work at home. I am my own boss and use the Internet to earn a living.

The Internet works just fine for the average person like me.

If something works well and you want to make it work even better, that's fine too.

But something tells me the reason people are opposing Net Neutrality is because whoever is trying to change the Internet is NOT coming up with good enough arguments to convince everyone that they mean to make a change for the better.

Those are my feelings.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 16 Dec 2017, 21:52

Found this blog post. Sharing.

The Net Neutrality Vote Decision: We’re Screwed
December 14, 2017 ~ Posted by Evereview
http://evereview.xyz/net-neutrality-vote-decision/

And a related thread here at Forum Coin dated 2015.

Net Neutrality
https://forumcoin.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1552

This is a topic where one should keep their finger on the pulse.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 29 Dec 2017, 14:57

This topic was broached by @Sam in 2015 and I expressed some of my views in that discussion.
https://forumcoin.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1552

It's not a topic that I have complete knowledge and understanding, but I know enough not to ignore it.

Per a TOP 10 List of significant tech news published by Business Insider, dated Dec 29, 2017:

9. New York state has indicated it will create its own net neutrality legislation in 2018: Other states have indicated the same, and will test a provision in the FCC's new order that says states can't do this.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171226/10390638883/new-york-state-eyes-own-net-neutrality-law.shtml

Kind of surprised New York is taking the lead on this. Would have thought it would have been California. Nevertheless let's hope test results are positive and move US forward. :D

I am a tad bit annoyed people want to mess with the Internet. Back in the Dark Ages they wanted to cut people off from knowledge. I don't see the difference really.

By the way if you want to learn more about the Dark Ages there's a documentary on YouTube.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby thisnthat » 29 Dec 2017, 15:29

LOL you start with Trump, then go on to imply that conservatives are too dumb to look past a catchphrase, but you don't want to get political? Could have fooled me. ;)

I'm very conservative. I don't agree with more regulation for the Internet (or anything else really). Less government control is always a good thing.

I also don't agree that states should be bound by federal regulations.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby neuralnet » 29 Dec 2017, 19:56

Life isn't gonna explode if net neutrality is over. A lot of detractors regarding net neutrality, only bring up these worst-case scenarios to hype up people. It's baloney, to be frank. I wish net neutrality would not be repealed, but if it is, Google is not going to charge $4.99 per search. If it did, a huge revolution would come, like the likes of which we have never before all over the world and across the cyber world. Relax. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby germainebull » 30 Dec 2017, 14:02

neuralnet wrote:I wish net neutrality would not be repealed, but if it is, Google is not going to charge $4.99 per search.


I'm particularly interested in this bit.
Post the repeal, would I be required to pay for every search I make on Google?
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 30 Dec 2017, 16:44

germainebull wrote:
neuralnet wrote:I wish net neutrality would not be repealed, but if it is, Google is not going to charge $4.99 per search.


I'm particularly interested in this bit.
Post the repeal, would I be required to pay for every search I make on Google?


Hope not. That would be totally unAmerican!
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby neuralnet » 30 Dec 2017, 17:55

I swear, I read a tweet about it, I'm trying to find it, but now I can't remember!
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 30 Dec 2017, 19:16

neuralnet wrote:I swear, I read a tweet about it, I'm trying to find it, but now I can't remember!


Please don't find the tweet. I'm so upset about this already that I'm ready to write a letter to the President! Seriously! I'm like: "Yo! This will NOT make America great again!!"
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby neuralnet » 30 Dec 2017, 19:27

cmoneyspinner wrote:
neuralnet wrote:I swear, I read a tweet about it, I'm trying to find it, but now I can't remember!


Please don't find the tweet. I'm so upset about this already that I'm ready to write a letter to the President! Seriously! I'm like: "Yo! This will NOT make America great again!!"


Alright, then! Activism is key and it's great that you are showing opposition from the Grassroots. Do remember, however, that Ajit Pai, was appointed by Obama into the FCC commission. Not saying it's his fault, but he really should have done his research, and weeded out an extremist like Pai. I know you are talking about Trump! :lol:
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby ladyninja » 31 Dec 2017, 07:15

This conversation seems to be location based (USA). The rest of the world, we behind the scene watching.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby neuralnet » 31 Dec 2017, 07:28

ladyninja wrote:This conversation seems to be location based (USA). The rest of the world, we behind the scene watching.


Because this is only going in the U.S. It is worth watching even if you live worldwide, because it can set precedent for your country as well.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 31 Dec 2017, 20:23

neuralnet wrote:
ladyninja wrote:This conversation seems to be location based (USA). The rest of the world, we behind the scene watching.


Because this is only going in the U.S. It is worth watching even if you live worldwide, because it can set precedent for your country as well.


Agree with @neuralnet. In my mind, the Internet was a way of eliminating borders and bringing people together. Idealistic people like me thought it didn't open up a whole new world. It just opened up the world we live in and made it look like a whole new world!

Then later my idealism was crushed when I learned that (1) governments can still block people from having access and worse than that (2) there is something called "Darknet" that allows for all kinds of seedy, sinister, and monstrous activities.

Aren't those two things bad enough without net neutrality? I'll bet net neutrality won't have any impact on those two things at all!
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby thisnthat » 31 Dec 2017, 20:58

germainebull wrote:
neuralnet wrote:I wish net neutrality would not be repealed, but if it is, Google is not going to charge $4.99 per search.


I'm particularly interested in this bit.
Post the repeal, would I be required to pay for every search I make on Google?


I don't see it happening. Some upstart would create a new, free google and it would just start all over. Or, more people would go "underground." The Internet (in my opinion) is just too big to really control.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby riddy09 » 09 Jan 2018, 02:52

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All is possible. Particularly, if we users, don't care about it. Net neutrality is a hot issue last year, I'm not sure the status of that now. But we know that this is not only political, but also business related because it will mean to pay for something online.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 09 Jan 2018, 18:51

riddy09 wrote:@thisnthat
All is possible. Particularly, if we users, don't care about it. Net neutrality is a hot issue last year, I'm not sure the status of that now. But we know that this is not only political, but also business related because it will mean to pay for something online.


I'm sure it's still a Hot Button! That's why certain folks are tip-toeing around it very softly and trying not to make too much "noise". They're probably up to no good! Trying to see what they can get done secretly before someone who opposes them gets wind of it and tries to STOP IT! That's right! I said it and I'm not taking it back.

I don't know what's going on right now. But when things are too quiet, I always take that as a warning. Keep your eyes and ears open. We're talking about the Internet. This tool revolutionized the way the whole wide world communicates. There's always a power-monger or two or three or more who want to control the masses and extort money out of people! That's right! I said it and I'm not taking it back.

I'm talking about the Big Bad Boogey Man! :twisted:
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby sdm95 » 09 Jan 2018, 20:47

The rest of the world honestly doesn't care about net neutrality. Lets get that across. I don't think NN will have a huge effect on us because if Broadband companies block/throttle internet access, they will lose money. Economics 101. They also want to have a good reputation.
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby cmoneyspinner » 10 Jan 2018, 18:33

sdm95 wrote:they will lose money. Economics 101


The Internet has become extremely valuable to our world and many people KNOW THIS! That's why some folks skipped the intro economics course and majored in an Advanced Money, Power and Greed degree.

Perhaps other parts of the world don't care about net neutraility because they were never "neutral" about Internet access anyway! Places like China and North Korea, for example. Net Neutrality is a non-issue for those countries.

Those government leaders be like: "Neutral? What you mean? WE IN CHARGE!!! You get Internet access if we say you get it!! By the way, if we decide to charge a ridiculous amount for you to have it, WE'LL DO IT! WE DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION!!"
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Re: Feelings On Net Neutrality?

Postby neuralnet » 10 Jan 2018, 21:07

cmoneyspinner wrote:
sdm95 wrote:they will lose money. Economics 101


The Internet has become extremely valuable to our world and many people KNOW THIS! That's why some folks skipped the intro economics course and majored in an Advanced Money, Power and Greed degree.

Perhaps other parts of the world don't care about net neutraility because they were never "neutral" about Internet access anyway! Places like China and North Korea, for example. Net Neutrality is a non-issue for those countries.

Those government leaders be like: "Neutral? What you mean? WE IN CHARGE!!! You get Internet access if we say you get it!! By the way, if we decide to charge a ridiculous amount for you to have it, WE'LL DO IT! WE DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION!!"


@cmoneyspinner makes a good point for these authoritarian regimes, it doesn't really mean much, because they already regulate the Internet, anyway, to the point that's it's tantamount to censorship. But they really don't care too much, because "no one is watching the watchmen", it seems right now. A very famous quote, indeed.

NN will come back to bite the broadband companies, you know where. And the reason why? Simple. If these policies go into effect, there would be a backlash, against the networks. Constituents would force pressure and the decisions would just end up being reversed with Pai bruised. But, they are afraid of us. We, as an individual don't have much power, but the one thing that matters to anyone is staying in their position of power. How much does NN matter in the grand scheme of things? not much? Where's the benefit?

Tor, the Deep Web, Snowden and more have brought us into a new age of cyber-security. A lot of the anarchists (cyber that is), and the idealistic people like Anons, will shatter NN anyway. Not that I condone all of their activities of course. This is going under the radar, but the media also is not giving any coverage. Why not? We have to ask ourselves. "No one is watching the watchmen." It's our duty. Let's do it. If we common folk, don't rise up, the FCC won't stop. Pai is destroying the FCC. We in turn will destroy his reputation and legacy if we rise up. If he doesn't do his job properly, #ImpeachPai (Fun fact: You can actually impeach him!)
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