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How breaktrough air defense?

Postby mrki444 » 10 Oct 2023, 16:47

Iron Dome is name of the Israel air defense system. It is have title for one the best for middle and short range missiles. Iron Dome had very high percent of effiency, but it fail in this war.

What happened? Hamas sends thousand missiles in the same time. The iron Dome computer system could not check each missile and some penetrate trough

Now my question is: can Russia use the same trick against the Patriot air defense in Ukraine? Patriot is developed in the US and placed in Ukraine as part of international help. Sending missile per missile could be useless, but this mass attack with cheap rockets can be much more effective.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby Fergal » 13 Oct 2023, 05:28

Interesting, I don't know if it would work or not. It is very sad that people have missiles and rockets raining down on them and their families. Hopefully some way can be found to resolve these conflicts peacefully, without all this extremely sad loss of life.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby mrki444 » 14 Oct 2023, 09:28

From what I can read, Patriot is designed for defense against missiles with larger range. So if you want attack Patriot you must be very close to it. I think US always have idea it will be at enough distance for safe work.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby ptrikha21 » 14 Oct 2023, 18:14

Russia could plan this thing but at a big cost.
I wonder why Russia is not calling ceasefire when it has already captured so much part of Ukraine?
May be a withdrawal on their part could hurt their ego?
Plus Modern Technology can help to an extent.
On the ground espionage, mouth of the word information and psychological warfare all play their important role.

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Fergal wrote:Interesting, I don't know if it would work or not. It is very sad that people have missiles and rockets raining down on them and their families. ....


I also prey for the same.
However, the bitter truth is that until NATO is dissolved, Russia gives up its ego boosting and doesn't looks as Ukraine as a threat, any kind of terror support is given up by major powers, do not expect good changes.
And in the wars, like in the current Israel-Palestine conflict, or rather Israel-Hamas one, it is the common folks who suffer the most - in terms of Dead and injured, missing or those who face trauma.
Plus the frontline soldiers.
Also, we can never rule out WWIII.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby mrki444 » 15 Oct 2023, 08:19

ptrikha21 wrote:I wonder why Russia is not calling ceasefire when it has already captured so much part of Ukraine?


They want take down Kiev but Zelenski also say he want entire Ukraine back. So peace negotiaon stopped.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby ptrikha21 » 15 Oct 2023, 09:55

mrki444 wrote:
ptrikha21 wrote:I wonder why Russia is not calling ceasefire when it has already captured so much part of Ukraine?


They want take down Kiev but Zelenski also say he want entire Ukraine back. So peace negotiaon stopped.




Stubbornness of US is also one factor. In 1990s, Russia under Boris Yelstin had asked US to include Russia as well in NATO.
Remember those were the early days when communism was just getting replaced in Russia.
However, neither did US include Russia in NATO, nor dissolve NATO.
I wonder why was NATO continued when USSR had disintegrated?
Now Russia's genuine concerns on Ukraine getting into NATO were not heeded, especially by Joe Biden.
Yet I also feel that what Russia did by invading and starting war against Ukraine, causing death of so many, displacement of Millions of refugees from Ukraine.
Will Russia pay for the war crimes and displacement of so many people?

War never solves anything but the Supercop approach of US is also a problem.
The ideal way is to both sides to let go off ego and work towards real and peaceful solutions and not create conditions for the WWIII.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby mrki444 » 17 Oct 2023, 18:19

ptrikha21 wrote:The ideal way is to both sides to let go off ego and work towards real and peaceful solutions and not create conditions for the WWIII.


I think conditions for WWIII will start on Middle East when Iran join figth between Israel and Hamas.

Iran drones will be another chalenge from Iron Dome.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby ptrikha21 » 21 Oct 2023, 10:40

mrki444 wrote:
ptrikha21 wrote:The ideal way is to both sides to let go off ego and work towards real and peaceful solutions and not create conditions for the WWIII.


I think conditions for WWIII will start on Middle East when Iran join figth between Israel and Hamas.

Iran drones will be another chalenge from Iron Dome.


Yet Iran would be at a big risk from US who have Aircraft Carriers near Middle East.
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby mrki444 » 24 Oct 2023, 10:17

Can Iron Dome be effective against Iranian dron Shahed?
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Re: How breaktrough air defense?

Postby ptrikha21 » 24 Oct 2023, 13:13

mrki444 wrote:Can Iron Dome be effective against Iranian dron Shahed?


I have not checked any article in this regard. It should have an effectiveness.
Plus Israel might be working on evolving their defense against Drones.
But there could be a limit, and challenges.
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