[Netherrealmer]

Many radio stations banned the songs of R.Kelly. Spotify also banned his songs and that Includes his Magnum opus, I believe I can fly which is the themesong of Space Jam.



Why is he banned? Well playing his songs will make him money from Royalties. He is banned because he is a rapist who raped multiple underage girls and even married a 14 year old. He was never jailed because his lawyer is good. His Lawyer just died of cancer years ago admitted he is guilty.

Rurouni Kenshin or Samurai X is one of the greatest Anime of all time. The anime was never finished. Its final season was a filler.


It was a hit when it got adapted a live action movie.


The final story arc of the Manga was never adapted into Anime and movie because the writer is arrested for being a Pedophile.
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Linda Fairstein is a Hit author and a Prosecutor . Her books were best sellers and some even got adapted into movies and TV. She is also an attorney and Prosecutor, She is apparently responsible for jailing 5 teenage boys for rape and they got jailed for decades for crime they never did. She did it for Clout, she will be seen as a hero of Justice and her books will sell. The boys were proven innocent and they got tortured so they will admit the crime. The real rapist confessed when he met one of the innocent boy's in jail.


All of her books are pulled out to all bookstores, online and offline. She lost all publishing deals she have.

[chikitta]

I don't think we should, that would be taking away their rights which is illegal. They took time and put in money to create the art why should it be taken away from them?

[Netherrealmer]

Thats not what separating art from the artist means. Separating art from the artist means continue supporting a movie, book, song,show, media etc... even if the actor, director or writer is a bad person like a rapist, killer, conman, pedo... because its good.


Cancel culture got movies, books and songs of controversial celebrities banned so they will stop making money from royalties. If you still listen to R.Kelly songs even if he is a rapist, it means you separate the art from the artist. You still like his music despite his crimes.

[simplyfred]

Thats not what separating art from the artist means. Separating art from the artist means continue supporting a movie, book, song,show, media etc... even if the actor, director or writer is a bad person like a rapist, killer, conman, pedo... because its good.


Cancel culture got movies, books and songs of controversial celebrities banned so they will stop making money from royalties. If you still listen to R.Kelly songs even if he is a rapist, it means you separate the art from the artist. You still like his music despite his crimes.

For example a poet who committed suicide but his piece deserves some recognition... An artist who committed murder like Juan Luna who painted some great stuff... We should appreciate the artist for their contribution on the arts but of course despise what they have done but in any way every side have a deeper story to tell, I mean they also have reason why they did this and that...

[Netherrealmer]

Your example is a dead person with public domain art. Someone like R.Kelly is still alive and gets royalties whenever someone buys his songs or listens to his songs in digital platforms. Cancel culture focuses more on people who are still alive.

Like James Franco, You won't see him doing movies anymore after he got cancel cultured because he makes female students of his acting school get naked.

Eric Clapton got cancel cultured because he made a racist rant on a concert and he is antivax Covid Denier.

J.K Rowling is still making money out of Harry Potter despite of making transphobic rants because she wants to exclude trans women from feminist movement. Harry Potter is still making money despite Hollywood tried canceling her as her fans separate the art from the person.

[Mika]

I think art, in all forms, get value not on its own but also due to the creator. Therefore, if the artist is found guilty of something, I think we should also ban him from selling his art. A lot pf people take inspiration from artists, so what kind of message this person will send if he has done something bad.

[Nsikan]

As for R Kelly, there was nothing he did for clout or to gain advantage in his musical career. It is just an uncontrolled lust that was in his personal life that led him to that. It would be unfair to ban his music.

But for that female judge that did those barbaric things for clout and to sell books, her books should be burnt to ashes. I mean all copies including every digital device that has a copy of it. That's so barbaric.

[eldavis]

If something is genuinely good, I believe it should be supported irrespective of who owns it and what they did, cause the truth of the matter is that when we hate the art cause of the artist, we are also affecting others.

[OldGuy]

Celebrities are just people who have been involved in some or many popular artistic creations during their lifetime. They may have become famous due to those public displays but they also have their private lives most never see unless they screw it up.

It is a shame to lose the best of those artistic endeavors due to activity of the artist or celebrity in their private lives. Perhaps a good way to separate the creation from the creator could be part of their sentencing if found guilty of their crimes.

Just include a consideration that all income from the creation be diverted to some sort of victim fund and cut the creator off from any future revenue, including any royalties forever as part of their sentence. Let the great performances continue and just leave the criminal in jail with no further benefit.

If you look at youtube listings, you can find many videos that document dozens if not hundreds of former celebrities who have been sent to prison for their crimes but the performances are not necessarily affected. Separating their future earnings should just be a standard part of their sentences when convicted so the public is not cut off from the great shows and other artistic endeavors even from the criminals.

[King Belieal]

Some things are just heinous and the art shouldn't be celebrated when the artists are dare devils.

[MOSIUR]

Art is actually life. We should hate sin not a sinner.

[Jem Smith]

Interesting question. For one thing I think it makes a difference whether they are going to profit from you enjoying their art or not- like whether they are still getting royalties, and whether they are still alive. Marion Zimmer Bradley, best selling author of the Mists of Avalon series was accused of sexual abuse by her daughter, but the allegations only came out after her death, so arguably there's nothing morally wrong with buying and reading her books now. On the other hand, I might not be able to enjoy a book or a song anyway if I knew something like that about its creator.

It's worse when whatever the artist did seems hypocritical, like if they make overtly feminist art but turn out to beat their wife.

It also gets tricky when multiple people are involved in the creation of the art. Like, when if there are multiple people in a band, and one of them turns out to be a rapist or something, boycotting their music hurts the rest of the band as well, which is unfair if they didn't know what one band member did. The comic Rat Queens went on hiatus for a while after one of the artists was arrested for assaulting his wife, but later returned without that artist.

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Some things are just heinous and the art shouldn't be celebrated when the artists are dare devils.

Being a dare devil just means doing things that are dangerous, like walking on a tight rope or sky diving. Is that what you meant, that we shouldn't enjoy art by people who do dangerous stunts?

[Netherrealmer]

Diddy's songs are now being banned by radio stations

[Presh]

Those radio stations are being hypocritical and unnecessarily judgemental. Why ban songs that have positive impact on society because the artist made mistakes as human.

[Netherrealmer]

Those radio stations are being hypocritical and unnecessarily judgemental. Why ban songs that have positive impact on society because the artist made mistakes as human.

P Diddy abused and raped Cassie, Pimped many of his singers He also raped underage Justin Bieber

[cmoneyspinner]

I usually separate art from the artist.
Many of these people kind of live messed up lives. But they have talent! That's undeniable.

I may like their music, acting, or artwork. But I probably wouldn't want to be close personal friends with them.

On the other hand, if they are CRIMINALS like R. Kelly ... whatever happens to them, I just figure it's the consequences of their actions. They are just getting their "just desserts".

Just like Harvey Weinstein, Alex Jones, and all the other dirtbags.

Uumm? Ask their victims this question.

As for cancel culture? That's as stupid as QAnon.
Proven crime is one thing. Unproven conspiracy is another.

If cancel culture were equally applied, everybody would probably get "canceled".

Right now it's mostly applied to public figures or celebrities. But suppose it started happening to everyday people in their everyday lives. A person could use cancel culture and cause another to lose their jobs.

[Jem Smith]

Those radio stations are being hypocritical and unnecessarily judgemental. Why ban songs that have positive impact on society because the artist made mistakes as human.

P Diddy abused and raped Cassie, Pimped many of his singers including an underage Justin Bieber

Yep, that's a bit more than just "making a mistake"

[Netherrealmer]

Yeah we are talking about Abuse, rape and human trafficking, its unforgivable.

[cmoneyspinner]

Those radio stations are being hypocritical and unnecessarily judgemental. Why ban songs that have positive impact on society because the artist made mistakes as human.

P Diddy abused and raped Cassie, Pimped many of his singers including an underage Justin Bieber

Yep, that's a bit more than just "making a mistake"

Can y'all hear the hallelujah chorus? The news surrounding P. Diddy was not a shock. I wasn't expecting the news but when it came out I was like .. sure took law enforcement long enough!

[Jem Smith]

This thread reminds me of the parody of R Kelly's song in The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.